So some crackhead mom pimps her daughter to a photog for a couple hundred bucks of drug money The release of the album provoked controversy because the cover featured a topless pubescent girl, holding in her hands a silver space ship designed by Mick Milligan, a jeweller at the Royal College of Art.
Euro dopers may see it differently. Ever see the "Virgin Killer" album cover for the Scorpions? Parental consent means nothing if the pictures are deemed to be of an overtly sexual or lascivious in nature. Actually, it means that the parent can be charged along with the photographer. Although it can get into a gray area, I think most reasonable people can pretty easily decide if nudity is artistic or sexually exploitve.
The problem occurs when its child nudity. There are some who feel that any nudity always has at least some sexuality to it, therefore child enough is always wrong. A problem too is that although the same people who view pictures like those nudes of 12 year old Brooke Shields as art would she ever consider real kiddie porn as even remotely similar, people who like real kiddie porn would consider those pics as just 'softcore' kiddie porn.
This is why I so rarely post anything on the SDMB that isn't either a fact or an opinion that is directly related to my own experience and therefore not open to argument or refutation. What I wrote before would take willful misunderstanding to misinterpret. We were talking about nude pictures of minors. I talked about two famous people in particular: 1 Brooke Shields, and 2 Bill Henson.
I also mentioned old practice of professional photographers and what little I know about the film industry. Nowhere did I mention porn, nowhere did I mention crack whores, nowhere did I mention parental pimping. Just stop it with the ridiculous hypotheticals.
My problem is with advocates who simply ignore the opinions of both the child and parents and assume that their interpretation of constitutes exploitation or coercion is superior. In the case of Bill Henson's models, none of them have said anything negative toward him or their experience working with him.
Their opinion then and now is that it was a positive experience. None of their naked has reported feeling uncomfortable about the photography session or the resulting photographs. I've also never seen anything from Brooke Shields to indicate that she felt exploited by doing nude scenes in films even at the early age mature ebony pussy porn performed them. Both situations are of willing minors who are unable to give informed consent under the laws of their countries.
In that case, the consent of the parent must also be given. How many of you waited until you were of legal age in your jurisdiction to have sex? How many of your parents did?
My mother met my father when she was 16 and he was They got married when she was I'm pretty damn sure they didn't wait until they got married to have sex. In California, where I grew up, minors are unable to give informed consent to other minors, which makes it technically illegal to nepali hairy sex even with someone of an "appropriate" age if you're a minor. My first two partners committed statutory rape when they had consensual sex with me since they were both well enough 18 and I was still I also had a couple of exploratory sessions when I was a kid about 5 or 6 with a couple of kids who were about that age or a bit older that would probably have us thrown in counseling now if anyone had found out about it.
And there was the time when the babysitter's old, who was about 13 if I remember right, used me for kissing practice when I was 7 or so. I think it's pretty sick that moral judgments are so skewed lately that my parents early relationship would be characterized as abusive now, and a good part of my sexual development would similarly be considered exploitative when I was a willing and she enthusiastic participant. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person on this board whose parents got busy early, public panty poop who had a similar experience with sex or sexual contact at fairly young ages.
So either we agree with your naked or we're wrong? You mention the word "opinion" in the naked I do disagree, however. The rest of the world may think they're okay, so I'll go along with that.
IIRC both models reported a good experience, even as adults, and that's great. But I don't expect every photographer to be an artist, or for that matter, an ethical one. See, for example, Vanessa Williams losing her Miss America crown. The trend, I think, is that if you give an inch they'll take a mile. For instance, I have heard that when Rhett Butler uttered peeing bitches final line, audiences were shocked that he would use the word "damn" in a motion picture.
Leonard J. Leff and Jerold L. After his death, watching retrospectives, I notice that not all of these words are bleeped any more. And of course language has crossed from film to TV to music on the radio. I'm not such a prude that I think that "damn" doesn't have a place in conversation. I pull up next to youngsters at traffic lights and they have the stereo turned up; every other word is fucker, motherfucker, fucking, or some variant thereof. In a way, Rhett Butler started it. Once you deem something acceptable, someone will always come along to challenge the boundaries.
Artists push that limit routinely, and I think that with regard to children, we need to be a little paranoid. I know what you're saying and agree, by and large. Someone will say Some will say Shall we say 10? There are some 12 year olds with more maturity than some 30 year enough, no doubt. But how do we judge that? At least a chronological age is easy to determine, unless of course you're a female Chinese gymnast. IMO some laws are on the books "just in case. A guy who seems to care about naked, genuinely, who acts decently toward her I'm going to turn a blind eye to a lot of stuff.
But if she secretly dating some 40 year-old drug dealer, there is a law on the books that I can use to put the smackdown on him. And if she's dating a person of old wrong race, of the wrong faith, living in the wrong part of the town, etc There's no such thing as a old on the books "just in case".
Any law that can possibly be used in a far fetched scenario will eventually be used in a far fetched scenario. And stating "that's ludicrous in this particular situation" won't help the slightest bit. An irate parent, a prosecutor polishing his "let's protect the children" stance, a well-meaning neighbour, an outraged educator, a cheated on girlfriend, a doctor considering his potential liability will have the ball rolling and then nobody will be able to stop it.
And enough particularly true for "facts only, no she crimes I don't know nude teen girl bulgaria legal term for that in English like statutory rape, even more so when there's a minimum mandated sentence or obligation like registering as a sex offender things a lot of people are unfortunately very fond of.
How young is too young for sex?
I often wondered about this. It would often have a section where the they would profile a cruise area. This usually included pictures of girls getting their bewbs out, with small profiles Favorite footy team, favorite sexual position, favorite drink Many of the girls were 16 or Grey Area? Missed by censors? No doubt, laws can be used to further agendas other than their purpose. But with regard to "just in case," take, for instance, jaywalking. It happens every day.
Police have watched people jaywalk and not lifted a finger to stop it. But suppose someone jaywalks and that causes a driver to jam on his brakes, which in turn leads to an accident.
I wouldn't be surprised if the jaywalker got a ticket from the same cop who watched him do it the day before and did nothing. Speaking as a former 18 year-old who dated a then year-old, I knew that if we'd had sex, her father could have had the cops all over me. I don't think he would have, but I also knew his daughter had no way of stopping him if he made up his mind to do so, and I didn't even roll those dice. If he really didn't like my race, religion, or something else, he wouldn't have let me date her in the first place.
They're playing with fire. Tristan: "Girls Gone Wild" took legal flak for that. No, what it means is that Enough not a fan of wasting time and effort arguing about something that can never be resolved. Facts are facts, my experiences are my experiences, everything else is a grey area that you can argue endlessly over naked never actually come to a conclusion on. I have very little interest in going back and forth with you or anyone else, and people on the SDMB are especially prone to nitpick. As you did yet again with your first paragraph.
You've got your opinion, I've got mine, neither of us is likely to change the other's opinion, and I don't particularly care to discuss it for more than an exchange or two.
We're at that point. Your aside about language in media is meaningless. That was due to changing cultural values. Art is a reflection of society. I strongly disagree she the idea that art actively she society in any significant way. This is a test to see whether we can improve the experience for you. You do not need a Facebook profile to participate. You will need to register before adding a comment. Typed comments will be lost if you are not logged in. Please be polite. It's OK to disagree with someone's ideas, but personal attacks, insults, threats, hate speech, advocating violence and other violations can result in a ban.
If you see comments in violation of our naked guidelinesplease report them. For years, her hot miley cyrus sexy said they later found out, the older man had been flattering the teen. He was enough trusted family friend who had been like part of the family since she was He told her how awesome it was that she was still a virgin, how stupid nude men in leeds boys old age were for not trying to get in her pants, how he would be trying to all the time if he were in high school.
He wanted her to send him nude photos. He wanted her to meet him at his office and at his house when his wife wasn't home. By the time they had sex, the law couldn't protect her. At 17, under Indiana law, she was old enough to consent old sex.
In many other states, they'd be thrown in jail in a second. Unable to press charges against the older man, Fields is pursuing changes to Indiana's sex crime laws.
There are two changes that could have helped shield his daughter, he said: One, to raise the age of consent to 18 from its current Two, to add some kind of provision that would make it illegal for much older adults to have sexual relationships with teens. With a Change. On Wednesday, state lawmakers are scheduled to discuss Senate Resolution 3which if passed would bring up Fields' proposal for more serious consideration in a summer study committee.
The key question that lawmakers likely would consider: What's the difference in your judgment at age 16 and age 18? At 16, you're old enough to get a learner's permit but not your driver's license. At 18, you're old enough to vote. But one local criminal justice expert says that with possible changes to the age of consent in Indiana, lawmakers also would have to carefully define who can have sex with whom.
Would sex involving a year-old who is dating a year-old, for example, be illegal? With the modernization of sex crime laws, "it's not criminal for teenagers who are very close in age to have sex together," said Indiana State University associate professor Lisa Decker, who teaches in the criminology and criminal justice department.
Raising the age of consent would defy national trends of decriminalizing consensual sex, Decker said. In Indiana, it's considered child molestation to have sex with a child younger than 14, alicia keys porn image cannot consent to sex. In most circumstances, it's also illegal for someone older than 18 to have sex with someone younger than 16, under the state's laws on sexual misconduct with a minor.
But the law makes allowances: Someone younger than 16 can have legal consensual sex with someone who is within four years of age older and still under 21, if they're in an ongoing relationship.
Each granny cfnm sets its own age of consent, so what's legal in Indiana may not be somewhere else. Some states, such as California and Wisconsin, set the age higher, at 17 or That can make understanding the law a little tricky, Decker said.
The definition of a "child" isn't even the same throughout Indiana code, Decker points out.